I would bring it in the next day and be like, ‘Here’s a song I wrote to that thing we made,’ and then I’d piece it all together. How we worked together on a couple of the songs on the record, we would go in, me and him and his friend Henry, we would make an instrumental track, just instruments, and then I would go home and write a song to it – lyrically, melodically write a song. Because I have to work, versus when I’m at home… I don’t have any ideas until I go somewhere and ask someone, ‘What do you think about this?’ I think working from home is too hard for me to focus, so going to Jackson’s studio and talking things out with him and working on things with him is actually motivating versus me just sitting around. I think it’s so much harder to be accountable when you are alone. Then it was sort of like, emailing Jackson, ‘Here’s a song that I wrote’, and us just fleshing it out over time. I had never worked with anybody else before I did those sessions, so I was still kind of getting used to it, and finding a flow, and then in lockdown I was just working by myself again. I only did a couple sessions with Jackson and some other people before lockdown.
Since you brought him up, how was it bringing Jackson and others into the fold as opposed to basically working alone from home as you were before? We made it in lockdown, which is just completely different. I worked with Jackson Phillips on it, it was just a really different process versus the other records. So, with this record, I was like, ‘Ok, my job is to make this record now.’ So I had a lot more intention, and a lot more ambition with this record. Also, when I was releasing in high school, and when I was releasing before this record, I was not really like… that focused on music, I was sort of moving around, working random jobs, figuring things out. I think the same perspectives that are shared by everybody when they graduate high school versus when they’re like, ‘I’m an adult’, kind of figuring things out, that sort of basic perspective shift. I assume that was no longer the case with this one, so basically, what’s changed, and did you write it in a short period or a longer span of time?
So at least from what I remember our last couple times chatting, the songs you’ve released up until now were written in high school.
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